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The Falling Rate of Profit

Falling rate of profit

The financial world is a mysterious one. It appears that through trading stock, advancing credit, or swapping currencies profit can appear out of thin air- that is, money can be turned into more money just by clicking some buttons on a computer or placing a call to a stockbroker. Indeed much of the confusion and mystique we attach to the dizzying world of finance comes from this illusion of money growing from money.

This is inherently abstract. To most of us, money is something we earn from performing concrete labor. And we use this money to buy real commodities- actual physical objects or services that represent labor done by other people out there in the economy. For us, money (M) is an abstract step of measuring value that exists between two very real concrete things: the labor we perform (C) and the labor of the commodities we buy (C). C-M-C

But for the capitalist, this realm of the concrete is not the goal. It is the abstract power of money that is important. To turn money into more money (M-M1) is the goal of capitalist production. For productive capitalists (capitalists that generate profit by selling commodities) the concrete labor process that creates commodities is an annoyance along the way to making a profit. They thus seek to minimize the time it takes to make a commodity so that they can turn their commodities back into money as quickly as possible.

For financial capitalists there is no annoying stage of concrete labor. They move their money to one place and it magically turns into more money. So why then, aren’t all capitalists in finance? Why do they bother producing commodities anyway?

The answer to that should be obvious. Without commodities and human labor to make them we couldn’t even have an economy. All value in the economy eventually relates back to the labor process. And though financial capitalists may never see a worker or set foot on a shop-floor, the profit they make is ultimately, in one way or another, dependent on the value produced by productive capitalists, whether through interest on loans, stock value, rent, etc.

But if we let financial capital carry on in its own mad way, turning money into more money through increasingly exuberant orgies of investment it is not hard to see how this can create temporary bubbles of speculation. Symbols of value- credit, mortgages, even money itself- can be traded back and forth assuming prices way above the actual value of the asset until the financial sector finds itself awash in ‘fictitious capital’. This is a fancy word for symbols of value that are divorced from any real value- any real connection to the labor process- in the way an actual commodity is.

But if you have your thinking cap on you might already see that we can’t blame crisis solely on financial capital. The monstrous bubbles of fictitious values it creates are only a problem if there isn’t enough value in the economy to back up all those symbols of value. We must also look to the productive side of the capitalist class and ask “why isn’t there enough value in the economy to back up all that fictitious value?” How come there aren’t enough wages to pay off those mortgages?  Why does the government have to go into debt in order to bailout investment firms and banks?

To answer these questions we need some theory about the rate of accumulation- the rate at which real value is produced in a capitalist society. The theory of the falling rate of profit is such a theory, and it is this theory that will be the topic of this video after many mentions and sneak-previews in other videos. The theory of the falling rate of profit argues that the basic way in which value is created in a capitalist society contains a basic contradiction which destabilizes accumulation. If not offset by some countervailing influence this will cause capitalism to go into crisis.

The basic argument is actually pretty simple. If capitalists see the concrete stage of commodity production (C) as an annoying step in between an initial investment (M) and profit (M1) it is in their interest to decrease the amount of time spent in this concrete stage while getting the most possible value out of it. This is basically what it means to increase efficiency. Workers produce more commodities per labor-hour, thus increasing the physical productivity relative to the initial investment.

The problem is that the more efficient capitalists are at producing commodities the less those commodities are worth. And this is simply because increased efficiency means less labor input per commodity and therefore less value, meanwhile more spending on labor-saving, efficient machines. So the very actions that capitalists take to generate more profit create a falling rate of profit.

This theory, that increased efficiency drives down the rate of profit has aspects that are both intuitively commonsensical and aspects that seem illogical. It makes intuitive sense that the more there is of a commodity the less it is worth. It doesn’t seem to make sense that capitalists would continue to behave in ways that drove down their own rate of profit. Let’s look more closely at this process and try to unravel the mystery.

The expansion of value is the essence of capitalism. Capitalists exist to turn raw materials, tools and labor power into commodities of greater value, to sell them for money and then to start the process all over again the next day. Competition between capitalists creates a race to lower prices relative to rival capitalists. But if price were ever lowered below the actual value of a commodity capitalists couldn’t make a profit at all. The only way to lower the price of a commodity and thus out-compete a rival is to produce something more cheaply than a rival capitalist. How is this done? -By increasing the productivity of labor.

Remember, commodities’ values are equal to their socially-neccesary labor time- the amount of time it takes, in general, for a commodity to be produced under average conditions. Let’s say you are a capitalist who makes widgets and the average firm produces 10 widgets an hour per worker. But your firm only produces 5. In order to make the same amount of profit as your competitors you would have to sell your widgets at a higher price. But you can’t get away with charging more for your widgets because people will just go buy from someone else who can make them cheaper. You will be forced to get your workforce to achieve average productivity or else go out of business. You will be forced to achieve the socially necessary labor time.

Now, if you can get your workers to produce 15 widgets an hour then you are producing at under the socially necessary labor time. This means your can sell your widgets at slightly less than the average cost, outselling your rivals and getting more profit per widget than them. Whereas other firms’ widgets are worth one tenth of an hour of labor time (a worker makes 10 widgets an hour) your widgets are worth a fifteenth of an hour. But you can charge anywhere from and eleventh to a fifteenth and still undersell your rivals.

How do you achieve more efficient production? Obviously you can make your workers work harder. But you will encounter some opposition if you try to get them to work too hard. After all, workers are people with a certain level of tolerance for their own exploitation. We can assume that all of your rivals are making their workers work equally hard. Your only other option is technical innovation. If you invest in better machines, new machines, fancy computers, new conveyor belts, etc. you can make your workers more productive. And this is exactly what capitalists do all the time. This is the motor behind the dazzling technological dynamism of a capitalist society.

Once you’ve achieved a more efficient production system other capitalists are going to want to do the same. It is hard to keep technological advances secret for long. Once all of your competitors are producing 15 widgets an hour per worker the socially necessary labor time of a widget goes down. Now all widgets are worth only 1/15th of an hour. The value of the commodity has fallen, and with it the amount of profit that can be made from it. The actions of individuals competing to make a profit by producing at less than the socially necessary labor time, eventually lowers the socially necessary labor time itself, thus undermining the aggregate profit rate. (repeat this)

The rate of profit is the total profit over the total price of inputs: profit/inputs. We call the profit s for surplus value- the amount of additional value added by labor, over and above the money paid to workers for their wages. We divide the inputs into two categories: wages paid to workers, and expenditures on pre-produced commodities like machines, raw materials, factories, etc. At the time of buying one of these pre-produced commodities the capitalist pays a price representing the value of the commodity. This value is then transfered onto the final product, but no additional value can be transferred by a machine or raw material, so we call the value of these pre-produced commodities “constant” and denote them with “c”. Since the wages paid to workers are not representative of a specific amount of value that will be produced per worker, that is, since there is no way of knowing how much value a worker will produce, we call their value “variable” and denote this with “v”.

We can then translate profit/inputs into s/c+v. This is the standard equation for the rate of profit (though you will sometimes see it written as s/v/c/v.) From this equation it is easy to see that an increase in investment in either c or v must correspond to a rise in the amount of surplus value in order for the rate of profit to rise or stay the same. If s stays the same while c or v increases then the rate of profit will fall.

In our example of capitalists reducing the socially necessary labor time of widgets we saw that although some capitalists gained a temporary advantage over others through increased efficiency, ultimately the same amount of workers produced the same amount of value each hour. The value was just spread out over more widgets. In terms of our equation s/c+v this means that surplus value does not rise just because physical output rises.

What does rise is c. In order to increase the efficiency of output capitalists had to spend more on machines and raw materials. This means that the denominator in the equation is increasing. And this means a falling rate of profit.

So when people say “it doesn’t make sense that capitalists would invest in ways that drove down their rate of profit” you can now explain to them the following 3 points:

1. We see the price of commodities fall all of the time due to increased efficiency. Notice the plummeting price of digital technologies, once adjusted for inflation. This means that increased productivity does not mean increased value. The same amount of workers are producing the same amount of value. This value is just spread out over more, cheaper commodities. But for some “mysterious” reason capitalists keep racing to pump out more and more cheaper commodities, even though it ultimately undermines the rate of profit.

2. Capitalists’ decisions are not centrally coordinated decisions made for the long-term benefit of the capitalist class. They are totally anarchic, the result of thousands of individual capitalists all competing against one another for temporary, short-term market advantage. The immediate, on-the-ground pressure on an individual capitalist is to increase output per worker to achieve maximum possible efficiency without regard to the effect on aggregate values or market saturation.

3. Capitalist do not operate from a conscious labor theory of value. To them, increased physical output means increased profits. This confusion of physical output with value is referred to as “physicalism”. It is the same theoretical error that confuses many of the critics of the falling rate of profit like Nobuo Okishio and John Roemer. Both capitalists and their bourgeois theorists are stuck in a theoretical quagmire where they think the value of commodities stays the same regardless of how efficient the production process is, while it is quite obvious to any lay observer that the value of commodities is constantly decreasing with rising productivity.

There are however some counter-vailing tendencies against a falling rate of profit and it is to these counter-vailing tendencies that we will turn next.

Again, if you have your thinking cap on you may have noticed that this entire thesis of the falling rate of profit is predicated on one assumption: that capitalists will increase their investment in constant capital (c) relative to variable capital (v). The ratio of c to v (c/v) is usually called the “organic composition of capital” though sometimes you will hear it referred to as the “value composition of capital”. It should be clear by now that if the organic composition of capital rises that the rate of profit falls. But if the organic composition of capital shrinks- if v rises relative to c- this should counteract the tendency toward a falling rate of profit.

Indeed this was a major strategy in response to the crisis of the early 70’s in which the west found itself with an overaccumulation of constant capital in the form of large factories and other industrial infrastructure. By an increased use of subcontracting in the 3rd world firms were able to move production overseas to take advantage of cheaper, easily exploited labor. In many parts of  Asia and Latin America there was no need to increase efficiency via constant increases in technology because the labor force, displaced from their rural means of production through deregulation in trade, was so vulnerable and exploitable.

While such investment strategies stem the falling rate of profit, they do so by expanding capitalist social relations into new areas on the periphery of capital. In so doing they don’t resolve the contradictions implied in the falling rate of profit, they merely displace these contradictions in space by bringing more people and spaces into the system. In doing so all sorts of disequilibriums are created in the fabric of capitalist space. The eventual rise to economic power of some areas of the periphery has much to do with the current disequilibrium of international capitalist relations.

A second way of stemming the falling rate of profit has to do with decreasing the value of constant capital. If the race to improve efficiency is cheapening all commodities we can expect the costs of inputs like machines and raw materials to fall as well. This allows capitalists to increase the physical amount of technology they use without increasing the value of constant capital. Unlike the previous “fix” which displaced crisis in space, this “fix” is part of the internal logic of capital and, some argue, could very well be a permanent fix.

What should be added though is that many production technologies involve very large investments in fixed capital. Fixed capital is constant capital that is fixed in space like roads, bridges, damns, factories, skyscrapers, enormous machines, etc. An enormous investment in fixed capital commits the investor to the long term use of this fixed capital, preventing the capitalist from switching to new, cheaper constant capital. The turnover time of fixed capital investments can be several years to several decades, as the capitalist waits for the cost of a new building or road to pay itself off. Thus the “fix” provided by the falling value of constant capital is neutralized in the case of fixed capital investments. The longer an industry has been around, the more automated production tends to be, so there is a tendency toward increasing investments in fixed capital.

The problems of turnover time in fixed capital investments are often overcome through the credit system. By borrowing money for investments, or borrowing money in expectation of future revenues, capitalists can get the money they need now, instead of waiting decades for an investment to pay itself off. In this way the credit system creates a socially necessary turnover time which equalizes turnover time across industries allowing industries with massive fixed capital investments to stay competitive with more labor-intensive industries. This also means that the crisis of overproduction of constant capital and the subsequent falling rate of profit are displaced in time and transferred to the credit system.

And this takes us back to our starting point. If capital can make good on all of it’s credit- if it can turn all of its investments into real value, we are safe from crisis. But if capital can’t generate enough profit relative to its investments, if technological change destabilizes value creation in one way or another we get crisis in the form of bubbles of credit which can’t find value, massive factories which can’t make a profit, shelves of commodities that can’t be sold and masses of workers without jobs. The theory of the falling rate of profit provides a starting point for analyzing how all of these factors are inter-related. While there are countervailing tendencies away from a falling rate of profit, many of them are mere displacements of crisis which merely postpone crisis, bottling it up to breakout with increasing violence when it can no longer be contained. We must also remember that there is no centrally coordinating body in a capitalist society to manage investments in a way that stabilizes the rate of profit. We are almost ready to begin an analysis of the way these abstract forces have evolved historically to land us in our present state.

Limits to Capital, by David Harvey

Reclaiming Marx’s Capital, by Andrew Kliman

Class, Crisis and the State, by Erik Olin Wright

An Introduction the History of Crisis Theory, by Anwar Shaikh (from U.S. Capitalism in Crisis)

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  1. Thanks for the videos and commentary, am reposting the videos on my blog with a link to your blog post.

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  3. The video was very good, it definity explained the Falling Rate of Profit pretty clearly. Since the last video Ive basically came to your conclusion that while C and V can fall, ultimately S can be eliminated through complete automation so it holds true.

    One thing Im curious about is your idea about Capitalism being decentralized. Capitalism since its conception has generally headed in a more centralized direction from the State Monopoly Capitalism prior to WWI to the Social Democratic/Liberal parties of Europe and the US. Couldnt an alternative system ran by Capital like Monopoly Capital as purposed by Sweezy or State Capitalism as purposed by Left Communists counter the devistating affects of the Falling Rate of Profit or a Credit Crisis?

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  5. I just wanted to run this by you as it appears that the falling rate of profit could be countered by this as well, but in doing so create a new contradiction which could bring the class struggle to its conclusion.

    If we assume an original rate of profit of 100s/(100c+100v) and a new rate of profit after innovation of say 100s/(300c+100v) then the profit rate has fallen from 50% to 25%. In both cases the amount of value created by workers is 200 units of value, but if workers are a variable input, shouldn’t they have the ability to produce more units of value? So through education and training, workers could produce say 400 units of labor and assuming a consistant rate of surplus value of 100%, the new rate of profit of 300s/(300c+300v) leds us back to 50% profit rates. Assuming that humans are as variable as Marx claims (as social creatures, excluding biological necessities), this could solve the falling rate of profit.

    One counterargument might by the social division of labor, but according to David Harvey this doesnt hold. The point of capital is to destroy monoploy skills and create a work force with non-monopoly skills, this doesnt mean the destruction of all skills and even allows for the spread of non-monopoly skills. If this is the case, then a division of labor can incorporate intelligent workers.

    This would go along with Marx’s prediction that capitalism tends to destroy old ways of thinking as it evolves, thus showing us its progressive nature as a historical epoch. Also it would offer new tools to the proletariat in terms of understandings its place in society, it would have a better chance of overcoming reification and seeing capitalism as it is. The destruction of reified consciousness would allow the proletariat to see not only through capitalism, but also through reactionary anti-capitalisms (Nazism, Leninism, Religious Fundamentalisms etc.). With these tools at hand, they could begin to challange capital and alienation as well as construct a socialist society.

    Comment by Jeffrey Curtis — December 30, 2008 @ 6:35 pm | Reply

  6. Interesting article. Keep up the great work. Thanks again, Jase

    Comment by Jase — February 3, 2009 @ 7:38 pm | Reply

  7. http://www.isreview.org/issues/64/feat-moseley.shtml

    prof. fred moseley on the falling rate of profit in the US and the current crisis. he also mentions the long-term rise in ‘unproductive labor’ in the US economy as another factor weighing down the rate of profit.

    Comment by againstthemarket — March 19, 2009 @ 3:24 pm | Reply

  8. Slight error here: It is not “s/c+v” but “s/(c+v)”.

    Comment by Dave Z — April 13, 2009 @ 4:01 pm | Reply

    • Good point. I’ve always been sloppy with math. If only I could figure out how to write the equation vertically on my computer….

      Comment by kapitalism101 — April 13, 2009 @ 6:01 pm | Reply

  9. Awesome work, thank you. I had a question. How do you reconcile the tendency for the rate of profit to fall due to increasing costs in constant capital with the historical increase of profits observable after the 1970s? I am aware that attempts to boost the rate of profit such as cutting social benefits, cutting wages, outsourcing to low-waged areas of the world, and other such reforms played a significant role, but do these things alone explain the steady growth of profit?

    Comment by Jim — April 17, 2009 @ 2:01 am | Reply

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  11. was the place displacement Harvey? Or did Marx already come up with that?

    Comment by Geoff Taylor — September 22, 2009 @ 4:35 pm | Reply

    • By which you mean displacing crisis in space? This idea exists in embryonic form in scattered passages of Marx but it really is developed fully by Harvey.

      Comment by kapitalism101 — September 23, 2009 @ 12:56 am | Reply

  12. ok, when technology develops to the degree that allows for more output per worker and less need for money into labor, this means that the rate of profit falls after competition reduces prices so that in order to compete, industries must sell commodities at the lowest possible price while making a bare profit? and despite increased output of goods, the coercive competition makes such output inefficient and forces capitalists to reinvest to make more money?

    Comment by Geoff Taylor — October 29, 2009 @ 6:24 pm | Reply

    • yes.

      Comment by kapitalism101 — October 29, 2009 @ 7:24 pm | Reply

      • Is this ever criticized for being difficult to empirically prove? what’s the ‘vulgar economist’ explanation for that effect besides being good for consumers?

        Comment by Geoff Taylor — November 1, 2009 @ 11:14 pm

    • re: empirical proof. Andrew Kliman has just put out a paper which I think does a good job of making the empirical argument for the falling rate of profit. It is called “Persistent Fall in Profitability Underlying the Current Crisis” and can be found his website: http://akliman.squarespace.com/crisis-intervention/

      I think he makes a good case for the empirical proof, but he does qualify this by saying that the sources for his statistics- bourgeois accounting practices of government agencies- are not Marxist enough in nature to form some sort of ultimate proof. But he makes a good case. It’s not an easy read if you don’t have some theoretical background and the patience to make your way through some tricky equations and graphs.

      Kliman is also critical of some past attempts to track profit rates like those of Anwar Shaihk in Shaihk’s paper “The Falling Rate of Profit as the Cause of Long Waves: Theory and Empirical Evidence” at his website http://homepage.newschool.edu/~AShaikh/

      It’s interesting to see that even Marxists who agree on the empirical strength of the FRP disagree on what constitutes valid empirical evidence. I am sympathetic to Kliman’s take.

      Comment by kapitalism101 — November 2, 2009 @ 1:05 am | Reply

      • What would be proof that is ‘Marxist enough’ ?

        Comment by Geoff Taylor — November 2, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

      • The problem comes in actually being able to decide which figures compiled through bourgeois accounting practices most accurately approximate Marx’s categories of value, surplus value, etc. Because price can diverge from value it makes it difficult to find some empirical measure that’s anything but an approximation. Marx himself criticized the idea of “proving” the labor theory of value. For him there was no such thing as a proof of the LTV. This doesn’t mean that we can’t consider how well, or not well, the LTV describes society. It just means that there will never be some sort of absolute empirical proof. No economic theory can have this. All we can do is show empirical correlation between difference phenomenon.

        Comment by kapitalism101 — November 2, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

  13. Is there an alternate explanation for the effect of the FRP in neoclassical economics, or is it completely ignored?

    Comment by Geoff Taylor — November 2, 2009 @ 4:33 am | Reply

    • Prior to Marx there were classical, bourgeoise economists that had theories of crisis, probably the most notable being Malthus’s theory of population-caused crisis and Ricardo’s theory that attributed falling profits to declining returns on agriculture.

      In the modern, credit age it’s harder to see the falling rate of profit as it is papered over by credit bubbles and the like. Keynes is one of the few bourgeois theories of crisis- his is based on lack of effective demand and was fashioned as a critique of the prevailing neo-classical views of his time. The Austrians also have a crisis theory based interests rates that blames bankers and goverments for everything. Neither Keynes nor the Austrian theory actually looks at a falling rate of profit. They are instead focused on other forms of appearance of crisis: lack of demand or credit and investment flows…

      Comment by kapitalism101 — November 2, 2009 @ 2:56 pm | Reply

      • Besides crisis theories, they have no recognition of the theory of FRP, because they also have no belief in LTV?

        And Marx’s FRP needs LTV correct?

        i find it so hard to believe that as sound as LTV is, there is no way to prove it which would validate Marxist inquiry

        Are there non-empirical tenants that are taken as truth in neo-classical thought that are equally difficult to prove in the sense that i am looking for, or is it just LTV?

        Comment by Geoff Taylor — November 2, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

      • I think neoclassical price theory is even harder to “prove” empirically as the notion of price is explained purely through psychological factors. Because there are no quanta of desire to measure they basically just take price as a given and refuse to look behind it.

        I have not studied any empirical attempts at proving the LTV. It’s hard for me understand how it could be done, so I’d be curious to learn more about them. But I think that common-sense knowledge confirms the LTV: the social labor process is coordinated through commodity exchange. We wouldn’t be able to have a complex division of labor coordinated thru markets if there wasn’t a correlation between value and price. If people stop buying toothbrushes less labor would go into making toothbrushes. If humans beings stopped working tomorrow there would be no commodity exchange. This doesn’t happen if you take away machines or money. We can still have commodity exchange without those things. When efficiency rises prices fall, some times even to zero. These sort of common-place observations, I think, are why Marx said that the entire notion of proving the LTV was an unnecessary, misguided mistake.

        Comment by kapitalism101 — November 3, 2009 @ 1:09 am

  14. Geoff Taylor wrote:

    “i find it so hard to believe that as sound as LTV is, there is no way to prove it which would validate Marxist inquiry”

    Since the early 1980s there has been quite a substantial body of empirical work on the scientific validity of the LTV.

    See for instance, http://reality.gn.apc.org/econ/Zachariah_LabourValue.pdf

    Comment by Dave — November 2, 2009 @ 5:09 pm | Reply

  15. There is a lot to be said on these matters that is not so easy to convey over a blog comment. But here are to important points:

    1. Empirical “proof”. This implies a misunderstanding or conflation with mathematical proofs. In contrast, scientific theories are not proved or disproved but empirically validated or falsified on the basis of their testable claims.

    The LTV, unlike the marginal utility theory of value, makes testable claims and to most peoples’ surprise turned out to be validated in the 1980s.

    2. I think the first part of “101s” recent comment is correct but then I think he goes off in a wrong direction regarding the strength of the claims that the LTV actually makes. It is that the material basis of economic value is social labour:

    Consider a pizza and a laptop, and suppose for sake of argument that they require 1 hr and 10 hrs of social labour to reproduce, respectively. Then what can we say about their prices? The LTV makes a testable prediction: the laptop will cost approximately 10 times more than the pizza.

    So a question that immediately arises is: how does the distribution of price-to-value ratios ($/hr) look for all goods across the US economy. Once the question is put on that terrain you have opened up the LTV for scientific inquiry.

    What one finds then is that the LTV holds in a statistical sense, the distribution is quite narrow, i.e. price and value is highly correlated. Thereby validating a claim going back to Ricardo.

    Comment by Dave — November 3, 2009 @ 3:53 pm | Reply

    • and that’s all in your dissertation abstract thing above?

      Comment by Geoff Taylor — November 3, 2009 @ 4:55 pm | Reply

    • But, in terms of empirical analysis, if profits are equalized all you could ever prove is that prices equal production cost plus average profits. How is this empirical proof of the LTV?

      Forgive me/ correct me if I am missing something. I have not read the works you’ve linked above and have not studied this issue at all.

      Comment by kapitalism101 — November 4, 2009 @ 2:40 am | Reply

      • The short answer is that the idea of equalized profit rates is a myth. Moreover, by clinging on to this myth generations of Marxist economists have fallen into the depths of the transformation problem and effectively giving up efforts on a Marxist economic research program.

        The idea that one can assume equal profit rates is theoretically untenable as Farjoun and Machover demonstrated. Furthermore, it is empirically false, and the conclusions one draws from such an assumption are tentative at best.

        But if one abandons this myth and investigates what merits the LTV has on its own basis it turns out that many of Marx’s predictions in Volume 1 hold up quite well in a strong statistical sense.

        Comment by Dave — November 5, 2009 @ 4:39 am

      • This, by the way, is some thing you ought to popularize in the same excellent way you have done previously. Which is why I recommended Farjoun and Machover’s book “Laws of Chaos” to you some time ago.

        Comment by Dave — November 5, 2009 @ 4:40 am

      • Interesting. I’ll have to read all that at some time. Thanks for recommending the books again. So much to read! So many videos to make!

        Comment by kapitalism101 — November 5, 2009 @ 10:30 am

  16. If you find the article above too technical I would suggest that you only read:

    Section 1: Introduction.
    Section 2.1: Value bases and the peculiarity of labour
    Section 3: Conclusion

    They will give some key ideas.

    Keep up the good work of popularizing Marxist economics!

    Comment by Dave — November 5, 2009 @ 11:29 am | Reply

  17. Typo: That should be the final Section 5: Conclusion.

    Comment by Dave — November 5, 2009 @ 11:30 am | Reply


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